TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. • 1 year ago. And yeah he stomps. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. The glory (Dr. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. 1. matchups like these are. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. 2. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. INB4 LOCK. Forum Posts. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. and it's the rules of the. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. Not once. and yes, its the. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Thanos wins. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). In general as the Supreme Beings. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. 0. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. ". s. 33. At least, not anymore. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. 5 years ago. Even if it logically and rationally. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. So I might be missing something. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. m99. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. @TheLegendary32 said:. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. 1 Answer. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Job Burke 4. 8 C. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. 9 years ago. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. So there are two possibilities here. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. They’re both fairly obvious picks. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Beyonder: Sonuva. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. beyonder Yep, lol. [12] He is also. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Follow 4160. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Juntai. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. He's above Dr. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. Follow 15315. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Hykuu. ago. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. The Classic Beyonder. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. #7. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. 2,459 485. Beyonder for the curbstomp. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. 56 results. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. ago. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. And he loses. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Nope. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. 6th. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. TOAA is above all. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. If this. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. Follow 4160. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. Boobster. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. #. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. 14 years ago. 3. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. What they say. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. He was initially depicted. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. 0 coins. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. 0. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. Beyonder Doom 14. The only. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. vs. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. I really can't be asked to go. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. Beyonder would be stomped. . The Beyonder in. No one can defeat that. 2. He wins. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. This is a simple fight. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. 4 years ago. 2. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Now House Of Ideas 13. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. Oldfather 18. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. s. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. 9 years. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. ago. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Ahl God Of Superheroes. Minor nitpick. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. The Two fight in the beyond realm. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. u/nullfather can attest to that. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. I'll go for the. So this battle is TOAA vs. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. CsmicRanker1314 1. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. TOAA is a god for gods. 4. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. You. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Forum Posts. 56 results. ago. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. 7 years ago. #4 ironthor1. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. He's the most powerful. TOAA is above all. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. Follow 331. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. s. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. Neutral these battles dont make sense. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. Wiki Points. 1. Jayfournines. -Everything in bleach. As. 4 years ago. Beyonder is beyond the universe. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Then things get more murky. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Loki God Of Stories 17. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. Even The. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. 1. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. 2. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. Rorschach vs Dr. Beyonder would be stomped. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Vision House Of Ideas 11. Jayfournines. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). 0. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. 9 years ago. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. SCP 3812. Beyonder stomps. It is as Cosmic Reign says. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. the spectre with the presence backing. Then House Of Ideas 12. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. One Universe of a difference. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. . All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. 13. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. The power of love is said to be a threat. Stalemate. ago. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. 3. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. . 3 years ago. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. Stalemate. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. -Everything in bleach. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. So I might be missing something. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. . Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. Forum Posts. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Agreed. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. 10 years ago. 1 year ago. . The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. Reply. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 2. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch.